tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6124530.post7512866655384005152..comments2024-03-22T11:09:11.166-04:00Comments on L'Esprit Vagabond: Civilisations Pre-Incas III: LimaHugohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16619549730220426316noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6124530.post-80541543033409894882007-09-16T17:21:00.000-04:002007-09-16T17:21:00.000-04:00Dear "sunflower",First of all, thank you for your ...Dear "sunflower",<BR/>First of all, thank you for your comments, and all the interesting information it gives for the reader of my blog, I appeciate that, I can assure you.<BR/><BR/>It took some times before I've published it since it seems to me it needed a reply and I didn't have much time to do so. Besides, I don't usually publish anonymous comments on the blog, especially when the writer is criticizing something that I at least had the courage to sign :-)<BR/><BR/>You don't have to apologize for writing in english, any language is welcome here :-)<BR/><BR/>I think you're shocked because you gave me pretention that I don't have. I'm just a traveler who's on a discovery trip in South America and this is my travel journal. I write it to inform my readers and friends, and to share my experiences as I move along the road. I don't pretend - never did, and never will - to be an expert on the subjects I'm covering on this travel journal. And since I just travel for a few months and the continent is large and full of interesting stuff to see, I certainly don't pretend to see all of it!<BR/><BR/>That could explain why I didn't gave more details about the Lima culture, and why I didn't have time to visit all the sites around Lima. Also, as a traveler, sometimes, you look for different things to do or visit, and sometimes, also, you just don't find out that some other stuff is out there, especially if you just have a couple of days to visit an area as complex as Lima.<BR/><BR/>As "civilisation" is concerned, we just don't draw the line at the same place, but that's ok with me. Once again, I never meant to offend anyone here, but even the biggest city of all time, if its contend to itself, doesn't represent for me a civilisation, which need (from my humble point of view of non-expert) at least to be spread out and develop some kind of communication system between many sites to be so.<BR/><BR/>Same thing about the desert. I know whee is Lima... :-)<BR/>But since the human civilisation had terraformed the landscape to create a huge city, there's no way you're in the desert anymore while in Lima. Even if you're right about the climate, Lima is no more a desert than Las Vegas is, if you follow my line of thoughts.<BR/><BR/>And that's pretty much it.<BR/>Once again, thanks for the infos you've added, and I invite you to comment again, if you just want to sign it next time, I'll be pleased to publish it.<BR/>Hugo.Hugohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16619549730220426316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6124530.post-92054858968464622632007-08-06T23:12:00.000-04:002007-08-06T23:12:00.000-04:00Hello!Sorry, my French is just basic, so I have to...Hello!<BR/><BR/>Sorry, my French is just basic, so I have to respond in English. Nevertheless I quite well understood what you wrote about Pre-Inca Cultures in Lima and I'm a little bit shocked. <BR/><BR/>Not being an expert, but living in Lima, running around with open eyes and reading a lot I think you should probably inform yourself a little bit more detailed. <BR/><BR/>First: Around 200 AD a local culture arose in the zone of Maranga. This so called Maranga or Lima Culture lived at their beginnings in the area of today’s Callao, La Punta, Bellavista and La Perla. Having adapted the agricultural and irrigation knowledge of the Chavín, these antique limeños brought great progress to the region. They constructed the first canals upriver the Rimac to irrigate the dessert lands at the outskirts of Callao and the eastern parts of the valley. Even today part of these canals still exists. This irrigations system was a striking achievement of engineering. To maintain it and distribute the water evenly to the people an advanced social organization was required. <BR/><BR/>Because the Lima Culture didn't make war on everybody and couldn't extend their influence like the Wari or Inca does this mean they weren't a 'real civilization'? <BR/><BR/>In addition the ‘marangas’ left behind many huacas that were adapted and added to by later cultures. The main ones are the Huaca Maranga and Huaca Tres Palos, both located in the Parque de las Leyendas, the Huaca Huallamarca in San Isidro and the Huaca Juliana in Miraflores. It is believed that these huacas were used by the expanding population of the Maranga as administrative centers for their different irrigation zones. The Lima Culture built as well the first temples of the religious center of Pachacamac. <BR/><BR/>Second: much more than only two huacas survived here in Lima. Probably Huaca Pucllana in Miraflores and Huaca Huallamarca in San Isidro are the best known. You should really come back to Lima, wander around town and the surroundings and visit all the other sites.<BR/><BR/>Third: Lima is not situated close (!) to the arid zone! Lima is located directly in the desert stripe between Pacific Ocean and the Andes!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com